In an animated interview on CNN New day this morning Joseph D. McBride, the attorney for the accused of violating Capitol Richard ‘Bigo’ Barnett, celebrates seen with her feet on a desk in Nancy Pelosi’s office – condemned the conditions of detention of the defendants, calling them “DC Guantanamo Bay” and repeatedly accused the authorities of “torture”.
Sly and sly backup host John Avlon has repeatedly shot McBride, claiming that McBride’s various arguments “make absolutely no sense” and are “absolutely without merit in fact.” In a farewell stroke, Avlon said bonhomie: “I had hoped you would have a more fact-based conversation with anything resembling a take on an attack on our Capitol.”
The interview ended with McBride repeatedly exclaiming, “torture.” Avlon replied, “Keep screaming torture, we’ll stick to the facts.” Avlon also cited McBride comparing the authorities detaining his client to the Gestapo. Avlon said that “Nazi comparisons are usually a sign that you’ve lost the point.”
Unless you are John Avlon makes jokes on Pat Buchanan’s 1992 GOP convention speech. Or if CNN compares Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch to Nazi facilitators. Or CNN is hinting that Trump and ICE are deporting illegal immigrants, it’s like the Nazis.
McBride accused authorities detaining the defendants on Capitol Hill of beating and starving them, denying them medical treatment, the right to worship and the right to see their lawyers and families. He said they were also being held in solitary confinement, which he described in their pre-trial situation as torture. McBride’s client, Barnett, was in isolation for months. These torture allegations may be exaggerated, but CNN was much more sensitive to the treatment of Islamic terrorism suspects detained at Guantanamo.
McBride quoted CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin as saying that “the insurgency should not be used in this case.” Will it ever be possible to hear the name “Jeffrey Toobin” without you-know-what?
Here is the transcript.
6:33 a.m. EDT
JOHN AVLON: Joining us now in a chat, Joseph D. McBride, attorney for Richard ‘Bigo’ Barnett, seen here in a widely released image of the January 6 attack, seated in a chair in the President’s office of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
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JOSEPH D. MCBRIDE: It looks like there are three categories of accused who will be sentenced at this point: you have the trespasser or the illegal protester, you have an individual like Mr. Hodgkins who entered the room. of the Senate, in the holy of holies during this time, during this sacred event . . . and it is very important not to put everyone in the same bag, not to define each demonstrator who presented himself that day as an insurrectionist, of which, moreover, no one was accused. Jeffrey Toobin, one of your own legal analysts, said the insurgency should not be used in this case.
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AVLON: You wrote a trial for LinkedIn in which you said this: “Like the Gestapo did in Nazi Germany, the federal government targets anyone who criticizes the decision-making process, questions its motives or challenges its legitimacy.” See, Nazi comparisons are usually a sign that you’ve lost the point. But do you still believe that the federal government is acting like Nazi Germany in its prosecution of the attackers on Capitol Hill?
MCBRIDE: Listen, let’s leave the Nazis out of this conversation.
AVLON: Well, you brought them in there, sir. You brought them in.
MCBRIDE: Alright, alright. Like the Nazis, like the Soviets in the Gulag, innocent men and women are being held in what we call DC Guantanamo Bay.
Pre-trial, in the absence of any factual finding. Pre-trial: They are held for hundreds of days in solitary confinement. They are beaten, starved, deprived of medical care, deprived of the right to worship, cut off from their lawyers, cut off from their families.
AVLON: Mr. McBride, you went to a Russian TV station to make this case and make this point. Do you think that if an abuser broke into the Kremlin and sat down in Vladimir Putin’s office, he would be treated better or worse than your client was treated after? attack the office of the Speaker of the House?
MCBRIDE: If the US media and government are unwilling to hold themselves accountable for the human rights violations taking place at DC Guantanamo Bay, then who better to hold us accountable than the inventors of the gulags themselves? That’s why I went there. To prove a point.
AVLON: It makes absolutely no sense, sir.
MCBRIDE: America needs to wake up and understand that people are tortured. Do you agree that people are tortured, tortured, five miles from the White House right now?
AVLON: Torture? What is the example that you have? Would you like to quote that? Excuse me, you say people are tortured by the White House. I just want to be clear because it is an extraordinary statement which would seem totally unfounded in fact.
MCBRIDE: Oh, no: they’re based on facts. And when the truth about the circumstances of the lockdown comes out, you should hold yourself accountable for what you’re saying right now because I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt –
AVLON: Do you think people should be held responsible for attacking the Capitol and trying to overturn the election, sir?
MCBRIDE: US citizens are tortured, tortured. Do you agree with torture, do you agree with what the ACLU called. Isolation is torture. Answer that question for me, good sir. Do you agree that people in pre-trial detention are tortured?
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AVLON: Do you know what that looks like, Mr. McBride? Seems like you and your client are still believing the big lie.
MCBRIDE: The big lie, what does that mean? 75 million people believe that the big lie –
AVLON: It’s lying about the election results. Mr. Mcbride, I want to thank you for coming New day. But I had hoped you would have a more factual conversation with anything that sounds like a sense of perspective about an attack on our Capitol.
MCBRIDE: You know what? Torture is never good. Torture, torture, torture, torture, torture. Torture does not agree.
AVLON: Keep screaming torture, we’ll stick to the facts. Thank you very much for joining us for the new day.
MCBRIDE: The facts are torture.